Inovia Sessions Podcast: B2C Expansion Playbook with Phil Hutcheon



The realm of tech entrepreneurship is vast, complex, and ever-evolving. Inovia Sessions offers a deep dive into this world, presenting insights, discussions, and firsthand experiences from those at the forefront of the industry. We’re excited to continue The Door to America mini-series, which provides a focused look at the strategies and intricacies of business expansion in the North American market.

In today’s episode, we’re diving into the intricacies of B2C Expansion with our guest, Phil Hutcheon, the driving force behind the revolutionary ticketing platform, Dice. Phil’s unique insights and Dice’s journey to conquering new markets, especially in North America, promise to be a goldmine for businesses looking to expand.

With our host, Inovia Principal Mike McGraw steering the conversation, this episode offers insights on the nuances of penetrating the U.S. B2C market and the art of establishing a strong foothold through network effect, tackling everything from overcoming resistance to engaging with stereotypes and securing essential alliances. This recap highlights the key takeaways shared during the podcast episode – dive in!


Product-Market Fit Before Expansion

Dice’s strategic patience, marked by a three-and-a-half-year focus on perfecting their product within London, laid a robust foundation for their growth. This in-depth understanding of local market dynamics and consumer behavior accelerated their subsequent expansions, making each move more impactful and efficient.

Phil candidly reflects on the challenges and temptations to expand prematurely, underscoring the value of restraint and a deep focus on the home market. This approach not only honed Dice’s algorithms and user experience but also shaped their strategies for entering new markets, with each city bringing unique learnings and adaptations.

The journey into Paris, Barcelona, and eventually the U.S. was a blend of calculated risks and opportunistic moves, especially during the pandemic when unique market conditions presented unforeseen opportunities. Phil’s story is a testament to the power of patience, deep market understanding, and adaptability in global expansion.

Actionable Tip: Be patient and prioritize developing a deep understanding of your product’s market fit in your home city. This foundational knowledge is crucial for efficiently navigating and succeeding in new markets.

Differentiation and Localization: A Key Dual Focus

Dice’s successful expansion into North America hinged on two critical strategies: differentiation and localization. Recognizing the universal appeal of music and social trends, they ensured their algorithms and user experience were globally adaptable. Their approach was to create a product that felt as though it was developed locally, with just a touch of Englishness. This strategy was complemented by subtle but significant language adaptations within their app, such as using ‘scalper’ instead of ‘tout’ regarding ticket resellers, enhancing the local feel of the product.

Dice’s experience suggests that significant differentiation is required to make a meaningful impact in a vast and competitive market like the U.S. – a mere 10-20% differentiation might not be sufficient to stand out. This insight is particularly crucial for founders and businesses planning to enter the U.S. market, highlighting the need for a unique value proposition. Standing out in a crowded marketplace and resonating with local culture is essential for success.

Actionable Tip: When expanding into new markets, especially ones as diverse as North America, focus on localizing your product to resonate with local cultural nuances and language preferences, while ensuring that your product offers a significant differentiation from existing offerings.

The Role of a Trusted Deputy for Expansion Success

Phil’s decision to move his right-hand man, Russ Tannen, to New York, marked a pivotal moment in Dice’s U.S. expansion. This move, made during the pandemic and under challenging conditions, highlights the importance of having trusted leadership on the ground in new markets. Russ’s relocation to New York, initially with a small team, was instrumental in fostering a culture in the U.S. that resonated deeply with Dice’s ethos in London.

The growth from a three-person team to a robust 90-member team under Russ’s guidance is a testament to the effectiveness of this strategy. Recognizing the importance of either leading the charge personally or delegating to someone who embodies the core values of the company is key. This approach ensures that the nuances of company culture and operational efficiency are not lost in translation across borders.

Phil’s experience with Russ in the U.S. highlights the value of having a leader who is deeply connected with the home team, facilitating quick decision-making and maintaining high levels of trust and efficiency. This strategy proved essential to overcome the uncertainties and challenges of entering a new market like the U.S.

Actionable Tip: When expanding into new markets, consider deploying trusted leadership from your core team. Their deep understanding of your company’s culture and operations is invaluable in navigating the complexities of new markets.

Autonomy in Diverse Markets

In the journey of expanding Dice into the U.S., Phil highlights the significance of granting autonomy to regional teams, particularly in a complex and diverse market like North America. This approach is distinct from Dice’s operations in other countries, where a more centralized model is prevalent. The U.S. team’s autonomy is necessitated by factors such as the market’s vastness, time zone differences, and unique cultural aspects.

Phil acknowledges the initial discomfort and complexities that come with this level of independence, such as determining responsibility and adapting to different operational methods. However, he emphasizes that these challenges are essential for successful adaptation in a market that fundamentally differs from others. This autonomy allows the U.S. team to make even significant decisions independently, fostering a more responsive and locally attuned business approach.

Dice’s experience with the U.S. expansion underscores the importance of adapting management and decision-making styles to suit the unique requirements of each market, ensuring that regional teams have the flexibility and authority to navigate their specific challenges effectively.

Actionable Tip:  Adapt your management approach to grant appropriate autonomy to regional teams. Balance control with independence, allowing regional teams the flexibility to make decisions that best fit their market.

Gradual, Strategic Expansion: The Key to Sustainable Growth

Dice’s expansion across the U.S. was marked by a meticulous, data-driven approach. Undertaking a comprehensive analysis of potential cities, they evaluated venue density, demographics, and spending patterns. This detailed groundwork laid the foundation for identifying ideal partners and timing the activation of new markets with precision.

The significance of network effects at various levels – from individual venues to city-wide and even national trends – was a critical factor in Dice’s strategy. This understanding allowed them to anticipate and cater to user preferences across different cities, enhancing user experience and loyalty. By waiting for the right conditions in each city before going all in, every expansion move was deliberate and optimized for success.

Operational considerations were also key, such as setting up a central team in New York to oversee North American operations and opening a support office in Philadelphia. This demonstrated nuanced and thoughtful planning, ensuring a sustainable and impactful growth trajectory.

Actionable Tip: Adopt a gradual approach to expansion. Map out potential cities, assess market readiness, and choose the right partners before committing.


For deeper insights and to grasp the strategies discussed by Phil Hutcheon, tune in to the full episode. Stay with us on this journey; our next episode promises a deep dive into laying the groundwork before an expansion in the North American landscape. Subscribe to ensure you don’t miss out!